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Gay Marriage and Proposition 8
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This is NOT a referendum on Proposition 8. If you want to keep debating that issue, start another discussion.
My question is simple:
Why do YOU think the majority of California voters rejected gay marriage as a legal institution?
My question is simple:
Why do YOU think the majority of California voters rejected gay marriage as a legal institution?
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Permalink Reply by Vanessa on -
Well, that sounds like the simplest solution, if everyone can agree to it. Turn everything into civil unions, throw out the whole marriage term (well, as far as legality goes) and leave marriage to the religious.
Although, the easiest thing would be to just forget that it was ever a religious term and adapt it to the now a days terminology. This happens all the time, take for example the word "gay".
In the end, if people are just fighting the use of a word, and not really what it entitles people to, I think we have a very big problem.
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Permalink Reply by Paranthopus Robustus on -
You are right Vanessa. Thank you for helping me to see the devision between church and state.
Seperate church and state. Allow everyone to marry whoever or whatever they choose.
I have been looking at marriage as a sacred religious thing. In reality it has become nothing more than another legal contract between two or more people. People should be legaly allowed to draw up contracts with whoever they choose. As many as they choose.
Lets just open the legal doors and allow anyone to marry anyone or anything they choose.
Legal and moral are two different issues.The one has no bearing on the other.
Legal we are forced to obey.
Moral we obey because we believe it is the right thing to do.
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Permalink Reply by Vanessa on
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I can read the sarcasm. How is this any different than you throwing out the old testament, and only following the new?
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Permalink Reply by Stimulus Bill on -
I didn't read Dave's post that way, Vanessa. It sounded like he is thinking seriously about the merits of my argument, while accepting your position that the terminology shouldn't matter.
We shouldn't interrupt that process to crucify him for an inconsistent statement about his religious beliefs. How many times has he said that he hasn't sorted all of that out well enough to express it well? Most people never do.
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Permalink Reply by Vanessa on
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"Allow everyone to marry whoever or whatever they choose."
I don't know Bill, when he says stuff like ^that^ it really makes me question his sincerity. The term "whatever" really gets me...anyone sincere knows that there is a difference between whoever and whatever. He's implying that there is no difference between a man and a box or a cat. There is not line drawn for him, his argument is if a man can marry a man, whats stopping you from marrying his dog? That is where is see the sarcasm coming in.
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Permalink Reply by Stimulus Bill on
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I keyed on that word too, and decided to overlook it. You're not wrong about what that implies, as Dave just expounded his position on that issue moments ago in another discussion. The only silver lining in this cloud is that none of us (individually) will decide these matters.
I still think it is a positive thing when we all "reason together" to examine these things. If we find the flaws in all of our collective prejudices, maybe we'll get it right next time.
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Permalink Reply by Paranthopus Robustus on
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Do as you please. Just don't hurt others.
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Permalink Reply by Dorothy on -
Going directly to your question, voters rejected gay marriage as a legal institution because most were raised with a Christian background. The young adults are not as apt to get out to vote and it is left to the decisions of the older generation. Ergo, the Christian or religious voters.
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